MALE AUDIENCE: But How do you acknowledge the recent developments in contemporary thinking. There has been ten years of institutional critique, how do you fit in that landscape?

    Benjamin Weil: Julia pointed out before that äda'web is a site that has a history. She has a history as an artist. We all have a history. When we bring all this history together and then from there sort of sort it out and try to find, you know, the elements or the dynamics that may eventually make us walk out of the constraints or -- probably it will be other constraints if not the same. I have no idea. But I think that in terms of defining the operating structure in which we function, there's definitely the fact, for instance, that there's -- as I pointed it out, real teamwork wherein there's an obvious valuation of a team working together as opposed to just like some individuals that sort of -- I don't know. It's hard for me to answer your question because I think that we don't really know the answer, at least I don't know it. I mean I'm experimenting like everybody else. I don't have a real agenda for that matter. I mean I have maybe a vision in a certain sense, although it sounds really silly to use that word, but I have a certain way of thinking about things, and I think that it's still very undefined basically.

    Julia Scher: I'll just say one quickly thing on that. I had an agenda going, and it was about morality and ethics. Just to bring up the question of security and the threat that being controlled has to all of us, and I guess the results are both exciting but really frightening, too. Ambivalence does not work visually

MALE AUDIENCE: [Inaudible question]

    Benjamin Weil: I think it's, again, the same issue that was pointed out before. You're going back to that which is that, basically, there's no economic model defined. I mean a collector actually bought a web project about two years ago. I don't know if it's an example that will be repeated, and I don't think it's so necessary to think around those lines. But, again, since there's no real economic model being defined -- having been defined already, it's really hard to answer your question somehow.

FEMALE AUDIENCE: [Inaudible question]

    Benjamin Weil: Well, basically we're seeking to find corporate sponsorship, trying to also, as I might have mentioned it before, not sell our soul obviously, like everybody else; but I think that's the direction we're taking. We're also thinking about other models. There's an on line store that will hopefully one day get a lot of sales going. For the moment people are quite reluctant to use the web to buy things, and then maybe -- I mean it still needs to be invented. For the moment corporate sponsorship is the only model that we fully investigated, but it doesn't mean that it's the only one that can exist. I mean I think it's -- as I said, it's really part of the process to try and investigate the new forms of economy that we all have to deal with.

    MS. LONDON: So we'll be able to talk a little informally, but I think -- thanks to Benjamin and his colleagues from äda'web, and to Julia Scher.